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downtownshooter		#61	[-]
Posts: 1513 (05/28/08 08:57 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Duck on a Rock wrote: Based on all of this controversy, a new coach, little experience on the court, etc., where does IU finish in the Big 10 next year? That's a good question. I would think that IU can finish better than the bottom 3 in the league. Watching the Big Ten last year didn't give me any reason to think that there will be many teams at the top this season. Crean is a really good coach and he's going to have a decent (albeit young) lineup of guards to run out there at teams and run-and-fun through some games. They have a good non-conference schedule (Maui, @Kentucky, @Wake Forest, among others) that will test them. I think they can finish ahead of NW, PSU and maybe a team like Iowa or Illinois depending on how they rebuild. They will be thin up front, but keep in mind that they are on the short list for Emmanuel Negedu, who just got his release from Arizona. He would be an immediate impact player in that lineup and give Crean a very athletic group of players to work with.
skyline time		#62	[-]
Posts: 37 (05/28/08 08:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Nil - Love the banners. Does anyone have a picture of BU's national championship banners that hang in Hinkle? I wouldn't mind having those around for those times when fans of other schools ask, "how many banners does Butler have?" not knowing that we actually have a couple...with more on the way.
PDT1242		#63	[-]
Posts: 971 (05/28/08 11:57 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Has anybody else seen that Jeremiah Rivers is transferring from Georgetown to IU? "Boom goes the dynamite!"
NilDogg		#64	[-]
Posts: 1316 (05/28/08 12:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	IU = TRANSFER-U 2008 Horizon League Champs!
downtownshooter	LOWER	#65	[-]
Posts: 1522 (06/11/08 04:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	And then there were none: Crawford to Transfer Talk about cleaning up quickly!
Title in 2011		#66	[-]
Posts: 810 (06/11/08 04:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	downtownshooter wrote: Talk about cleaning up quickly! An unbreakable APR record. Can you score below 0? On paper, people think we're nothing. They say we don't belong. We watched TV and we barely knew we were even playing today. Nobody gave us a shot... We're still here Joel Cornette
wienerhund		#67	[-]
Posts: 22 (06/11/08 09:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	In the spirit of not being able to get any lower... In the Jeopardy! episode that aired this evening, a clue actually read to the effect of "In 2008, Kelvin Sampson was dismissed as coach for violations involving cell phone usage at this Hoosier school". What is Indiana? Alex.... The question was accurately answered by a contestent. Don't know if an athletic department can go lower than having its violations show up as a Jeopardy! clue.
BulldogsAllTheWay		#68	[-]
Posts: 1848 (06/11/08 09:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So have Ellis, Thomas, or Bassett announced where they are going?
Indy Terry		#69	[-]
Posts: 309 (06/11/08 09:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	wienerhund wrote: In the spirit of not being able to get any lower... In the Jeopardy! episode that aired this evening, a clue actually read to the effect of "In 2008, Kelvin Sampson was dismissed as coach for violations involving cell phone usage at this Hoosier school". What is Indiana? Alex.... The question was accurately answered by a contestent. Don't know if an athletic department can go lower than having its violations show up as a Jeopardy! clue. If you were watching Jeopardy then "the answer was accurately questioned by a contestant." :-)
Title in 2011	Regarding IU's trial tomorrow...	#70	[-]
Posts: 812 (06/12/08 09:06 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	They (IU) will be trying to avoid penalties beyond the scholarship and recruiting restrictions the school imposed when the allegations came to light last year. With roughly the same probably of happening, I'm trying to get the US government to allow me to stop paying taxes. I'm also trying to have Mirada Kerr and Adrianna Lima over for dinner. Does IU not realize how ludicrous they sound? The scholarship restriction they are speaking of was "cutting" a single scholarship for the 2008 class. It just so happens that Bud Mackey got busted for selling crack, and that scholarship was already going to be left unused. Also, the recruiting restrictions put in place were actually lessoned, allowing Crean to recruit off campus for 10 days. In real terms, IU has not penalized itself at all, and they are trying to sell that that is enough to satisfy FOUR MAJOR VIOLATIONS + one secondary violation. The NCAA should just go all Sodom and Gomorrah on that program on Friday for being so damn incredulous. On paper, people think we're nothing. They say we don't belong. We watched TV and we barely knew we were even playing today. Nobody gave us a shot... We're still here Joel Cornette Last Edited By: Title in 2011 06/12/08 09:14 AM. Edited 3 times.
downtownshooter		#71	[-]
Posts: 1523 (06/12/08 09:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't know, Title. IU has removed almost every member who caused the problem and that scholarship for this coming season still effects the team. It will be interesting to see what the NCAA finds. If it is determined that Sampson was shady and did most of this without IU knowing, I think they are okay. If there is a "lack of institutional control" discovered, that's where a lot more trouble comes in to play. By lessening the recruiting restrictions on Crean, it was discovered that IU asked the NCAA if that was okay, and the NCAA did not have a problem with it. That, to me, was a sign that the NCAA is leaning more towards punishing the individuals (a big-time show cause penalty on Sampson and Senderoff) and not the institution. I could be reading too much into that, however. My guess: A few years of probation, another scholarship loss for '08 and one in '09.
Title in 2011		#72	[-]
Posts: 814 (06/12/08 09:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	We'll see. My guess is one lost scholarship for '09,'10,'11; no official visits for a year, and the same recruiting restrictions that were in place for Sampson (visits, calls, etc). I really kind of doubt firing a bunch of people who you were known to have cheated in a like manner before, but were not monitored is going to sit well. Everyone in that athletic department, from compliance to Greenspan is complicit in what happened. Given that, and the APR issues around the corner (I'd guess probably 2 scholarships during the next 4 years), Crean is going to have one hell of a time improving that team. On paper, people think we're nothing. They say we don't belong. We watched TV and we barely knew we were even playing today. Nobody gave us a shot... We're still here Joel Cornette Last Edited By: Title in 2011 06/12/08 09:41 AM. Edited 1 times.
downtownshooter	The APR thing is interesting	#73	[-]
Posts: 1525 (06/12/08 09:44 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	By clearing everybody out in one year, the hit on the APR will be a lot more sudden. Even more importantly, with a number of walk-ons (who will graduate with high GPAs) getting scholarships, there is some balance. The NCAA has also shown a lenient policy in punishing teams with bad APRs. They take circumstances into account and withhold punishment for teams that have a plan in place documenting improvement. It won't be hard for IU to prove in the future that Sampson was to blame for a bad APR. And if Crean graduates everybody (Tabor, Dumes and Jobe will be up first), the NCAA can give them a pass. It happened for a majority of the teams falling below the APR cut line this season.
Title in 2011		#74	[-]
Posts: 815 (06/12/08 09:50 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Maybe that's where we diverge, I doubt half of the people on the current team will graduate as Hoosiers. I'd be almost shocked if any of Pritchard, Roth, or Jones did. The first two are from the previous administration and Jones, I've actually seen, he'll be recruited over almost immediately. I think the transfer issues IU has right now is only the tip of the iceberg. You don't sell playing time, and that's what they are doing, and bring in unwieldy class sizes without attrition. Indiana will remain under the APR threshold for a good deal of time. Like I said, two scholarships is probably what I expect the fallout to become of that. On paper, people think we're nothing. They say we don't belong. We watched TV and we barely knew we were even playing today. Nobody gave us a shot... We're still here Joel Cornette
downtownshooter		#75	[-]
Posts: 1528 (06/12/08 10:12 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't doubt there will be transfers, but what is the alternative? IU has to field a team this fall, and it's a good thing a ton of players have been recruited or they wouldn't be able to. I agree with your assessment that players will get recruited over, but it happens everywhere. Should Butler be worried about their APR because Englemann was recruited over? With a huge class coming in this season, do we honestly expect all of them to be here in four years? I don't. Every kid wants playing time, and there are too many scholarships available for teams to allow that to happen. As long as the player leaves in good standing and gets a degree somewhere else, it doesn't hurt you.
Title in 2011		#76	[-]
Posts: 816 (06/12/08 10:30 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	downtownshooter wrote: Should Butler be worried about their APR because Englemann was recruited over? With a huge class coming in this season, do we honestly expect all of them to be here in four years? I don't. No, I don't. I actually expect another person not in that class to eventually transfer, as well. But there is one ENORMOUS difference, Butler's APR is well above the threshold standard, and IU, before all of the current mess, is already below it. Butler has some room to work with, IU is already is working in the red. There is a very good chance that IU will have the worst APR in the country after next year's calculation. Because this thing is a moving average, it's going to be years before they get their heads above water. I would expect, under optimal circumstances, for IU's APR to be "passing" before '12. There is no way that the NCAA lets them slide the entire duration. Conversely, during the period, given the buffer BU is working with, I doubt Butler approaches the threshold. Even if they do, as you said, the NCAA gives you a "warning." The same warning Indiana received this go round. On paper, people think we're nothing. They say we don't belong. We watched TV and we barely knew we were even playing today. Nobody gave us a shot... We're still here Joel Cornette
downtownshooter		#77	[-]
Posts: 1529 (06/12/08 10:44 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It will certainly be an interesting study on the NCAA and their policing of schools. If they slap some punishments on IU this weekend for violations they know to be caused by previous employees, will those bad actions also be used to punish them further in terms of APR? I know that the two aren't completely related, but since it's all coming from the same office, I have to think there will be some allowances when it comes to APR. If IU is being accountable, then things get better. The big question will be, how many of the departing players were eligible when they left school. If many of them were eligible at the end of spring semester, it won't hurt the APR as bad as the opposite. You're right though, with everything going down the way it is, I could see IU with scholarship limitations for the next 3-4 seasons. However, given our talk about over-recruiting, maybe that's not as bad of a punishment.
ndfan1993		#78	[-]
Posts: 1996 (06/13/08 09:33 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Willie in the background.....
Upon Further Review	Question for Indy Terry and ndfan1993	#79	[-]
Posts: 3807 (06/13/08 02:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	IT--What the heck was the category for that type of question? I'll take Sports Cheaters for $400, Alex. I'll take Cell Phone Hall of Fame for $200, Alex. nd--Who is Willie?
BU 1999		#80	[-]
Posts: 797 (06/13/08 03:56 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Veasley is over Sampson right shoulder in the background. I am guessing it is from the preseason nit last year?.?.

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