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BU 1999		#41	[-]
Posts: 934 (02/17/09 02:31 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I would yell my head off in the student section. If someone wants to give me their dawg pound card, I would be more than happy to take their place. I am 32, but I think I can pass for 22. Hell, ask pitstop, I think he can back up that I am very capable of being a loud-mouthed ass. I do a lot of my venting while watching and playing sports.
wttn3		#42	[-]
Posts: 82 (02/17/09 03:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I get it. There are more checks to get students into the Pound. But you can't tell me that the scanning process is so much of a hassle that hundreds of students choose to sit in the upper deck. That's just laziness. Laziness or not, its the truth. No one finds it a necessity to sit down below.
BU 1999		#43	[-]
Posts: 935 (02/17/09 03:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	downtownshooter wrote: jziemer wrote: Maybe you should pioneer a "Young Alumni" section. Ziemer, I love the idea. Wish it was practical. They had a "young alumni" night this year when the students were on break, and you could get wristbands to sit in the Dawg Pound section. The turnout was rather low. Now, it would be cool if there was a section of season ticket holders where everybody graduated within the last 10 years. I know there are enough ticket holders in that age range to probably make it work. Maybe that section could be a bit more flexible to stand up and not be blocking a 75-year-old, but the reality of it is probably just a dream. I had no idea about the young alumni night this year. I would have been interested had I known.
BMRadio99		#44	[-]
Posts: 304 (02/17/09 03:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sorry to be tardy to the party. It's funny, I see a lot of hater-ade being spit at Duke and the Cameron Crazies, and I still don't understand why. (From an impartial look at their student section, that is. If you hate Duke basketball, that's fine, but you can't deny what their student section has done. Kind of like how I grew up a White Sox fan, but agree that Cubs games are more fun.) It really all comes down to the culture of the program and the institution. Duke and Wake are both ridiculously good academic universities. Duke has an undergrad enrollment of about 7,500. Wake is the same size as Butler. (4,400 or so) That considered, do you think that ALL of the Cameron Crazies are really into basketball when they show up on campus? I'd imagine there's quite a few who were raised on Duke basketball, and in that sense, yes...we are not Duke nor will we ever be Duke. But my point is that being part of the Cameron Crazies and now, to a certain extent, the Screamin Demons, is the cool thing to do. There's definitely something fulfilling about being a part of a large group that does stuff together (i.e. cheers in unison, chants, dress, etc) but without much guidance from "the man". I found this article on the Wake Forest student section which was really interesting: http://www.wfu.edu/news/release/2007.12.17.s.php jskierko, did you guys use their section as a guideline? Lots of (good) similarities, and a few (good) departures. I think it's kind of ridiculous that they require attendance, but whatever. I know there's a difference because they play in the ACC. The "level of competition" argument is a whole other can of worms that I'm not going to go into detail about. But in short, I agree the opponent is IMMENSELY important in building both student and non-student involvement in home games, and that's why we'll never be a Duke or WFU. But they've built a successful model, so why not learn from them? jziemer and downtownshooter, I loved the idea of a young alumni section too. But many young alumni that were way into Butler Basketball live out of the area (like myself). But when I do make it back for games, I SO wish that I could be behind the baskets yelling like a madman. Remember JJ's "scouting reports"? Those things were awesome. Dawg Pound North End, 1999-2003 Last Edited By: BMRadio99 02/17/09 03:15 PM. Edited 2 times.
downtownshooter		#45	[-]
Posts: 1764 (02/17/09 03:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	wttn3 wrote: Laziness or not, its the truth. No one finds it a necessity to sit down below. Fair enough. That's the world we live in now. I will back the students all day long against the critics of attendance. When school has been in session this year, the students have been in Hinkle. I just am amazed at the open space in the Pound, that's all.
riksmits4prez		#46	[-]
Posts: 208 (02/17/09 03:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	BM...the ignorance of the Cameron Crazies is beyond anything you can imagine. Many of them have never been to a game that Duke wasn't playing in. Many of them probably don't watch basketball if Duke isn't playing. It's just what the students do. The crazies are the crazies. I don't think anyone here expects or believes that Hinkle will ever get that rowdy. However, as far as the level of competition in the Horizon League. That should have nothing to do with it. Take a look at Gonzaga: -They have about 7,500 enrolled I believe. -They dominate the WCC year in and year out. -They have a coach who stays more than 5 years to sell out to a Big 6. (No offense to any of Butler's coaches, but there's a reason Gonzaga has been able to stay near the top for a decade and recruit guys like Morrison) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJbOCbiQSI Enough said. Again, no disrespect to the DP execs or anyone in particular, the student section is just below average for various reasons.
Danimal 18		#47	[-]
Posts: 29 (02/17/09 03:39 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It seems that the general opinion is that the student section simply isn't full on a regular basis. Even if we have a weak home shedule this year that shouldn't be a factor. I hate saying it because I absolutely hate going to the Nutter Center, but Wright State's Raider Rowdies seem to be doing something right. No mater if its Butler or any other team in the leauge they pack the student section and all seem to know something about the opposing school. Look at the home court advantage they had for so many years in the Horizon League, no one like to play there. Its amazing to see the whole end of the arena filled with ballons and distractions when the opposing team is shooting on that end. I was there an hour before the game started this year and they were painting eachother talking to one another about who is good on our team. BUCheer brought up a few simple ideas that would be easy to implient. I costs maybe $5 for a bag of 100 balloons. Another idea is to host a tye dying party a few days before the Cleveland State game, to get rid of all the white shirts, bring the Blue back into Hinkle.
aurorix2		#48	[-]
Posts: 455 (02/17/09 03:43 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing." This is truth, to me.
Upon Further Review		#49	[-]
Posts: 4451 (02/17/09 03:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	riksmits4prez wrote: -They have a coach who stays more than 5 years to sell out to a Big 6. (No offense to any of Butler's coaches, but there's a reason Gonzaga has been able to stay near the top for a decade and recruit guys like Morrison) I don't think it should be a priority, but I'm sure if the coaching staff put their mind to it, they could recruit a kid who has a bad porn star mustache. Regarding the student turn out, it is what it is. For someone like me, free access to see basketball was great. I enjoyed it and it was something to do. And the team was nothing (and you can capitalize every, single letter) like it is now. But not everyone likes basketball. If they had 15 free ballet recitals over the course of the year, I might make one. Does that make me less of a "supportive" BU student?
BulldogsAllTheWay		#50	[-]
Posts: 2156 (02/17/09 03:56 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Dawg Pound and Butler in general is a lot like a high school. If you follow high school sports you'll notice that a certain high school has a great student following one year and then the next it is average. All it takes is a group of students who make it the "cool thing" to actually go to games and cheer.
riksmits4prez		#51	[-]
Posts: 209 (02/17/09 04:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I hate Gonzaga as much as the next person on this board, but I would take a national POY any day of the week. He worked his @ss off every game for them. And +1 about the Nutter Center bunch as well. BATW made a good point. I think there were 2 really great years and 2 really average years for me. I mean there isn't much else to do except give students an incentive.
ndfan1993		#52	[-]
Posts: 2440 (02/17/09 04:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	BulldogsAllTheWay wrote: The Dawg Pound and Butler in general is a lot like a high school. If you follow high school sports you'll notice that a certain high school has a great student following one year and then the next it is average. All it takes is a group of students who make it the "cool thing" to actually go to games and cheer. Hence the reason why it is often times referred to as Butler High School....we are just cursed with a weird student body makeup. aurorix2 that is a classic picture...the best part is the Duke kid looking up at the sign.
Michdog		#53	[-]
Posts: 78 (02/17/09 05:12 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	While not exactly comparing apples to apples, Hope College (a DIII school in Michigan) has a fantastic student section. Mountain Dew even sponsors the student section handing out drinks and hot dogs at half and funds the orange t-shirts. The basketball certainly isn't at the level of Butler, but you'd never know it if fan (i.e. student) participation were the rule - the pictures show. You don't have to be Duke or a Big 6 conference school to have an excited student fan base. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=33692
dawgpound17		#54	[-]
Posts: 6 (02/17/09 05:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	... Last Edited By: dawgpound17 02/18/09 10:45 AM. Edited 2 times.
wttn3		#55	[-]
Posts: 83 (02/17/09 05:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	... Last Edited By: wttn3 02/17/09 08:41 PM. Edited 1 times.
wttn3		#56	[-]
Posts: 84 (02/17/09 05:32 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Also, Hinkle isn't very conducive to a large student section. The lack of a continuous area behind the hoop makes it difficult to compare to other student sections around the country because of the divide that is created with the orientation of the court. It does make it possible to seat more people in Hinkle as a whole though.
BJPSDAWG		#57	[-]
Posts: 81 (02/17/09 05:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	One thing i have noticed is that when Zombie Nation comes on only the front couple rows of the DP really jump... I think that the noise problem is combined between the student section and other fans which could be fixed by having more cheers than "R U a Bulldog" that most people actually yell
BJPSDAWG		#58	[-]
Posts: 82 (02/17/09 05:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	also suprised that a he's our freshman cheer hasn't broken out at all...I guess it would get old fast
BMRadio99		#59	[-]
Posts: 305 (02/17/09 06:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	riksmits4prez wrote: BM...the ignorance of the Cameron Crazies is beyond anything you can imagine. Many of them have never been to a game that Duke wasn't playing in. Many of them probably don't watch basketball if Duke isn't playing. It's just what the students do. The crazies are the crazies. I don't think anyone here expects or believes that Hinkle will ever get that rowdy. However, as far as the level of competition in the Horizon League. That should have nothing to do with it. Take a look at Gonzaga: -They have about 7,500 enrolled I believe. -They dominate the WCC year in and year out. -They have a coach who stays more than 5 years to sell out to a Big 6. (No offense to any of Butler's coaches, but there's a reason Gonzaga has been able to stay near the top for a decade and recruit guys like Morrison) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJbOCbiQSI Enough said. Again, no disrespect to the DP execs or anyone in particular, the student section is just below average for various reasons. Nail on the head Smits. The Crazies overall may not be the most astute bunch, but 1) they are there 2) they are loud Good call on the 'Zags video/thoughts. They have done an excellent job all around in terms of their basketball program. (Don't understand hating them either, but hey, what do I know...) I'd imagine that most of the Zags students there are under the same plan - they're there because it's just "what you do", and it's fun, etc. I'd say maybe 1/3 are true Gonzaga basketball fans. But again, they're there, and they're loud. I don't need to know why...I just want to rattle opponents. I've had the pleasure of attending a couple of San Diego State games in my time here in Southern California. It's by no means a model student section, but the improvements even in the short time I've been here have been outstanding. SDSU is generally more of a "dude, let's get faded at the beach, brah" school that has very lackluster support for sports. Overall, the size of the student section for a 35,000 student campus is pretty pathetic, but it's grown in recent years, simply due to the popularity factor. (Not Steve Fisher. Grr.) There's times when they downright resemble a legitimate respectable college basketball student section.
BMRadio99		#60	[-]
Posts: 306 (02/17/09 06:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	wttn3 wrote: Also, Hinkle isn't very conducive to a large student section. The lack of a continuous area behind the hoop makes it difficult to compare to other student sections around the country because of the divide that is created with the orientation of the court. I do agree with this. It was really a bummer that the only way they could figure out to place additional handicapped seating was to lop off pieces of the student section. I understand that the sections are not full as they are, but in the interest of creating a large cohesive group, having proper space available should be a priority. I guess that's kind of an "If you build it, they will come," mentality. But hey, we base everything around Hoosiers. Ain't nothin' wrong with sports movies.

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