Parrish Preview of Davidson/Butler
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Parrish Preview of Davidson/Butler |
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Posts: 231 (02/20/09 02:05 AM) |
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 Duck on a Rock |
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Posts: 1364 (02/20/09 09:42 AM) |
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problem is that there are three more regular season games to go, plus the Horizon tournament, and the Bulldogs suddenly look like the young team picked fifth
in the preseason league standings" - Gary Parrish
"...if the Bulldogs don't make shots they tend to look average. Like an NIT team" - Gary Parrish Anyone want to argue we're NCAA bound still? Lose this game, and we'll be listed as the "Last 4 In/Last 4 Out" write-ups next week. |
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Posts: 357 (02/20/09 09:48 AM) |
Duck on a Rock wrote: Lose this game and we will be in the "last 4 in/last 4 out"?! I would say we are on that list already. Assuming we lose in the HL tourney. |
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Posts: 1365 (02/20/09 09:54 AM) |
My point is that if we win tomorrow, we likely float just barely above this type of list. Lose, and we are most certainly on the list, likely in the "Last
4 Out" section.
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BU720 |
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Posts: 1358 (02/20/09 10:06 AM) |
I hope someone slips each of the players this article to read. I don't know about anyone else, but it p*ssed me off.
"We've had a good program for the past 12 years, and we've never had an NBA player," said Butler sports information director Jim
McGrath. "Our pros are doctors and lawyers."
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aurorix2 |
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Posts: 472 (02/20/09 10:53 AM) |
Anyone who doesnt make shots looks like an average team. What is your point? Andy katz wrote an article saying that we would still get in even if we lose
against davidson.
To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing." This is truth, to me. |
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willisbrown |
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Posts: 306 (02/20/09 11:00 AM) |
I think right now as it sits Butler is on the bubble but in. Lose tomorrow and don't win the conference tournament, out would be the result. Tomorrow
scares me more than ever now. Curry will have a Willis Reed moment and his team will rally around him. I think I am going to go to Oxford to watch the rebels
instead. I can't take much more of this team looking like it has looked. It stresses me out.
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MisterFive |
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Posts: 268 (02/20/09 11:48 AM) |
BU720 wrote: What exactly is in the article that you disagree with? |
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Duck on a Rock |
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Posts: 1366 (02/20/09 11:54 AM) |
aurorix2 wrote:Andy Katz vs. Gary Parrish?  Want to talk about college basketball journalistic reputation between the two? Parrish wins hands down.
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Independent George |
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Posts: 813 (02/20/09 12:08 PM) |
Andy Katz....Gary Parrish....Joe Basketball's online blog....it doesn't matter what any of these people say or think - the only people that have any
say in this are the guys in the commitee that will select the teams. The point is, Butler is not nearly as secure in making the tournament today as they were a
week ago. A win tomorrow helps, and a loss hurts. It's that simple. If they win the last two HL games and host the HL tourney, I would think it would be
difficult to leave them out assuming they don't implode in the semifinal game against a bad team.
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aurorix2 |
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Posts: 473 (02/20/09 12:17 PM) |
If you really think that in 3 games we go from a 3 seed to out of the tournament, fine. You're going to be disappointed though. Duck all you care about is
disaster, it seems like you enjoy this more when they struggle
I think everyone is forgetting that 2 games ago we had just crushed two teams in a row. No one was complaining then. You all act like we are going to lose out the rest of the season. Get a grip To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing." This is truth, to me. |
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Posts: 5493 (02/20/09 12:26 PM) |
aurorix2 wrote: If we play against Davidson, Youngstown State, and Cleveland State like we did against Loyola and UWM, we could be on the outside looking in. Matt Howard played 1 on 5 in those games. Poor passing in both games and the 0-7 free throw start against Loyola does not look good on our resume. While we have an outstanding record to date, we have learned from previous encounters with the Selection Committee that how a team ends the season is more important than how a team begins the season. In that the Davidson game is a tv game, it is really important that our performance shines in this game. |
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There Is No Butler Way |
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Posts: 154 (02/20/09 12:28 PM) |
Independent George wrote:No kidding, thanks Captain Obvious. Problem is - it's not that simple - the question is how much will they help/hurt and what effect will that have on an at-large bid. Independent George wrote:Doesn't the same apply to your opinion? If so, why post? Circular? |
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willisbrown |
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Posts: 309 (02/20/09 12:56 PM) |
I am going to have to say that listening to Gary Parrish on the radio here and reading his stuff, he blows Katz out of the water. DeCoursey (SP) is pretty good
with the sporting news as well.
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Duck on a Rock |
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Posts: 1367 (02/20/09 02:16 PM) |
willisbrown wrote:Of course he does. No comparison. Aurorix2 - call the 2003-04 Utah State AD if you don't think 3 games can send you plummeting out of tournament consideration. They were 20-1 (with the only loss coming against Utah) before the bottom fell out. A couple of losses later they were sitting at 24-3, ranked #24 in the country, sitting home on Selection Sunday with no dancing shoes. Open your eyes. Mid-Majors cannot afford late season collapses like we're experiencing right now! |
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BMRadio99 |
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Posts: 320 (02/20/09 02:28 PM) |
Duck's right on that one. And Parrish's article is right on the money. It's not doom and gloom, just reality. Note that he feels that Brad will
right the ship and our Dawgs will be just fine. I feel the same way. We need to win down the stretch because the early season numbers don't mean as
much...and they're not looking as enticing as they did a month ago. (Thanks, X.)
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willisbrown |
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Posts: 310 (02/20/09 02:36 PM) |
Yeah Duck is right...it's not about a three game slide really as much as it is WHO the losses are coming to, but also because this team's identity and
reputation are still being figured out nationally. If it was last year or 06-07, I wouldn't be 1/10 as worried because IMO they had reputations for
stepping up and playing great in the big games, and the resume was much better in 06-07 so the mid/late season losses didn't hurt hardly at all. Especially
with Xavier now sliding, this year's resume is pretty weak, and since that game Butler has not shown that it is really an elite team (or really had the
opportunity to) and only is showing that it is flawed and not as complete IMO as the last two seasons.
Butler may be cute and fun to write about, but don't think for a minute that if they keep playing like this, win or lose, and don't win the conference tourney, and finish, let's say 25-6 or something, that this comittee won't take the first opportunity to yank them off the board. |
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Independent George |
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Posts: 814 (02/20/09 02:44 PM) |
Everyone has an opinion - however these opinions don't change anything that will happen in the selection room in a few weeks. People on the board get all
bent out of shape because some writer says Butler is in trouble - it doesn't matter what he thinks. We can all speculate as much as we want, but the bottom
line is, nobody knows what disjointed "logic" the committee will use to reward and/or punish teams this year. It changes every year so your guess is
as good as mine, and Andy Katz and Gary Parrish. They will decide wins vs. top 50 teams is important for one team and completely disregard another team's
solid top 50 wins because they had a couple bad losses. Then they'll say one team had a few bad losses but countered those with 3 really good wins. If they
would just come right out and say, "We thought Team A was better than Team B" it would help with the criticism each year. However, they always try to
explain things and it only makes them look worse. There is no rhyme or reason to anything they do so for any writer to try to predict what will happen on
selection Sunday is speculation at best.
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aurorix2 |
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Posts: 474 (02/20/09 03:40 PM) |
Duck, that USU team in 2003-04 didn't have two top 50 wins. The only team they beat was Pacific, the other good team from their conference who made it to
the NCAAs. Everyone else they beat in nonconf was a bad team. Then they lost the opening round of their conference tournament to a below average team. It's
not the same situation no matter how hard you try to make it seem that way. If we lose out, then i'll agree with you, but even if the season hypothetically
ended with a loss at davidson, we would still be in
To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing." This is truth, to me. |
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BURph92 |
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Posts: 352 (02/20/09 03:40 PM) |
The way I look at the team's NCAA hopes are like this. Starting thursday our guys need to come out and get a win against a hot YSU team. Then they
have to get it done against CSU on saturday. Doesn't have to be pretty but the bottom line is they have to win both home league games next week. Do that
and then you'll have the chance to have two more league home games in the HL tourney. Have to win both of those games to have a guaranteed spot in the Big
Dance. Bottom line is if we are an NCAA tournament team we should be able to win 4 consecutive home games against Horizon League teams. It's still lined
up for the guys to get it done, now they just have to do it.
LET'S GO DAWGS!!!
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Bill Phova |
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Posts: 572 (02/20/09 03:48 PM) |
Stated simply. Win out at home.
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