Quite a few have mentioned this would boost Butler's recruiting. Local media coverage has been marginal at best. I'm guessing coverage is minimal in
areas that didn't have a participant. Thus far it has had little positive effect for us. I do believe it could help during the season, especially if
announcers mention it during national broadcast games. Let's hope so anyway. I'm not a huge fan of these world tournaments, but that is certainly not
to take away from our players accomplishments.
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Posts: 3538 (07/14/09 05:52 AM) |
The print media has terminal cancer.
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Posts: 4330 (07/14/09 06:49 AM) |
Westfield Gutshot wrote:Nail on the head. Print media is going away for good. Indy Star just had another round of layoffs....... 71 last week. Quarterly furloughs are still the norm. Look for it to no longer become a "daily" in the next 2-3 years....... or at least home delivery will not be daily. |
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Posts: 1978 (07/14/09 07:18 AM) |
Agreed with Westfield Gutshot and Staxawax. The coverage on the U-19 team was excellent. 16-18 year old kids don't read newspapers XIUMAN, they surf the
internet. Anyone interested in Butler would have found daily updates on Gordon and Shelvin through a variety of media outlets. I would say the coverage
massively exceeded my expectations.
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Posts: 4331 (07/14/09 07:46 AM) |
Duck on a Rock wrote: Reminds me of a Buddy Holly song...... "That'll Be the Day". |
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Posts: 2292 (07/14/09 10:48 AM) |
Well... The Eagles did come back together & titled that album appropriately (I only know this because a friend told me about this years ago...).
Can anyone guess the title of the comeback album? (If you used google, please at least admit that.) Butler Basketball Summer School is now in session at Hinkle, Colorado Springs, New Zealand & Italy. |
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Posts: 1011 (07/14/09 11:00 AM) |
Butler seeds wrote: Was it called "seeds adds another unfunny post"? I did use google.
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Posts: 928 (07/14/09 12:39 PM) |
Hell Freezes Over I believe.
Internet coverage was good and cbssportsline.com seemed to keep up with the US' performance. And the articles leading up to it were outstanding, especially with the coverage on Gordon. Do kids strive to represent the country in the u-19s? Probably not, but surely doesn't hurt to see the national recognition the individuals and school received. |
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Posts: 507 (07/14/09 01:55 PM) |
fwiw I don't think it will be a boost to the recruiting. Obviously it won't hurt it. But like willis said, a lot of high school kids aren't saying
"wow I want to win gold at the FIBA U-19" championships. While it's a huge honor for 2 Bulldogs to be a part of the first gold medal team in
almost 20 years, I don't think it's a high recruiting point for Stevens and Butler. I think it will help Dixon, Painter, and Lowery the most to be
honest.
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Posts: 1982 (07/14/09 02:01 PM) |
Telling a 17 year old that two current student-athletes just got back from representing Team USA and winning Gold Medals at global basketball tournament all
while getting a free two week vacation to New Zealand isn't a selling point for recruits? Pass me some of those crazy pills. This has to be one of the
coaching staff's top selling points in the next 1-2 years right alongside (1) top 25 team, (2) high profile opponents, (3) increased nationwide television
exposure and (4) a great NCAA Tournament track record! Come on...of course it's a huge selling point!
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Posts: 929 (07/14/09 02:38 PM) |
I think it can definitely help, don't get me wrong. But 16-18 year olds don't even know where the hell New Zealand is or much less what FIBA stands
for. Once you can get it in front of them hell yes it is a selling point, I guess my point was I am sure that is not what kids at that age are thinking about,
with that sort of talent. They are thinking which college can I get to that can get me to the NBA in 1-2 years. I think for the majority of the high school
basketball stars, their mind is one tracked. Not saying all of course, and I know we don't go after the 4 and 5 star guys, but for most that is the truth.
It's why they play AAU and go to the Nike camps etc-to get exposure and in their mind at that point the best exposure is a college which they can use as a
stepping stone to the pros.
If you focus on more of the type of players we usually go after, sure it is a great selling point. There is not one negative about it. I am saying in general, I don't think it is the first thing these recruits are thinking about. |
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Posts: 52 (07/14/09 02:48 PM) |
willisbrown wrote: Couldn't disagree more. Sure, the elite of the elite are thinking about the NBA, but most of these kids are realistic. I also disagree that most 16-18 year olds don't know where New Zealand is. How could playing for Team USA and representing your country, a country steeped in great international basketball tradition, NOT be a selling point? Sure, for the NBA ready player who likely would have made the jump to the NBA straight out of high school or as an underclassmen the NBA is a sweet deal, but most college recruits aren't thinking about the NBA. A free education at a great school for a top 25 team with two representatives showing the American strength for their age group has to be a huge draw for any but the most NBA-ready prospects. |
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Posts: 930 (07/14/09 03:10 PM) |
Read what I said. I said it would be a good selling point, I just don't think it is the first thing these kids think of during their process. Bottom line
is the 4 and 5 stars have been pumped up since they were probably 12 about where they should go and who to play for etc to make it to the next level, as in the
NBA. No, those are not the type of individuals we generally recruit, but we are in a different era than maybe ever with Butler Basketball. This IS a top 25
team year in and year out, we are getting national recognition, our kids are being selected to play on national teams, hell even talked about in mock drafts.
Stepping into a new era means changes though, and I think now more than ever Butler is poised to compete for the 4 and 5 star players. I think yes, this can be
a tool for recruiting, I have neve said anything contrary to that. Especially for Butler. My point is that a lot of these kids who are highly touted and have
had agents and coaches in their ear drum since pre teen years don't dream of playing in the U-19 championships. They want to play for a winner in college
that can help them get to the pros. As I said, this does not apply to all recruits, but it does for a lot of them who are in the higher echelon of that
particular class.
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Posts: 1012 (07/14/09 03:10 PM) |
willisbrown wrote: I personally believe that, U.S. Americans are unable to do so, because some… people out there in our nation that don't have maps...
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Posts: 5814 (07/14/09 03:44 PM) |
Duck on a Rock wrote:I agree with your thoughts, Duck. In addition, let's not forget about the team travel to Italy later this summer. On the academic side, throw in our alliance with IUPUI which opens up the degree flexibily for recruits. I wish I was a benchwarmer on this team. 
"Basketball is like photography, if you don't focus, all you have is the negative." Dan Frisby
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Posts: 5815 (07/14/09 03:49 PM) |
fired up karen wrote:fuk....I'm not sure that our high schools even teach geography. Being an old fart, fuk, I have plenty of maps (in addition to Mapquest and Delorme's Street Atlas USA on dvd).
"Basketball is like photography, if you don't focus, all you have is the negative." Dan Frisby
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Posts: 508 (07/14/09 04:00 PM) |
Duck on a Rock wrote:The team was comprised of 11 schools, 13 if you count coaches involved. It's an honor to Gordon and Shelvin to be selected among such an elite group of players for sure. It's also a great honor for the university to show how far the program has come, and there is clearly no downside to the situation. But to say it is a HUGE selling point is a bit of a stretch. Your 4 points are valid selling points, but what's to say any other top 20 program can't make the same statement? |
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Posts: 53 (07/14/09 04:21 PM) |
willisbrown wrote: Noted. But, again, 60 kids are drafted to the NBA every year, and with the influx of international players, there are a ton of 4 and 5 star talents that realistically don't have a shot at the NBA. Sure, it's a draw for the elite players in each class, and it would be a huge coup for Butler to recruit a player that is ready for the NBA coming out of high school. But, realistically, I think seeing excellence in international amateur athletics is a more realistic selling point for all but 15-30ish freshman every year. But, again, I see your point on needing to get your foot in the door before mentioning Team USA as a draw. I just disagree on it not being a standalone draw for most freshman. Maybe I am shortchanging Butler's recruiting capabilities and it's time to get some NBA ready players, but realistically I would rate this as a higher draw for the time being. Now, if/when Gordon goes pro, that will be bigger still. But we can "make due" with the first US victory in this tournament in 20 years as a selling point. That's a good problem to have. |
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Posts: 1084 (07/14/09 06:15 PM) |
I was not referring to just the print media but mass media in general. While the internet may have had decent coverage I just don't believe there was much
public interest in viewing it.
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Posts: 1843 (07/14/09 06:28 PM) |
Hopefully Hayward (or others?) can get a legitimate shot at the NBA as some of the so called analysts seem to think he will. However, I think its safe to say
that alot of European professional teams will be keeping a close eye on Hayward and Mack's development, which could probably lead to some added exposure
for the rest of the Bulldogs - which is certainly a nice recruiting tool.
As for media coverage, I would have thought that we would have seen more local coverage. David Wood's effort was outstanding, as usual. But other than him, nobody other than our small community probably realized the impact that our Bulldogs had on the international scene, which is sad. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think the Unversity World Games (Hummell) got much airtime either, did it? Although you know if they would have won the gold, thre would have been all kinds of Media attention on the Purdue angle. |
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